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Outside the Loop RADIO is Chicago's Almost Above-Ground Audio Magazine. Founded as a podcast in September 2006 and picked up for broadcast by Chicago Sound Alliance WLUW 88.7-FM in March 2007, "OTL" now airs on Chicago's Very Own 50,000-watt heritage powerhouse station WGN Radio 720-AM. Storyteller and urbanologist Mike Stephen hosts this weekly program featuring fun segments and interviews with local newsmakers, artists, musicians, and others doing cool stuff around the greater Chicago area ...
EPIDEMIC is a weekly podcast on the science, public health, and social impact of the coronavirus pandemic. Hear from some of the world’s leading infectious disease, public health, and other experts. We’ll help you understand the latest science, the bigger context, and bring you diverse angles—from history to politics to virology—depth and texture you won’t get elsewhere. Hosted by Dr. Celine Gounder, an infectious disease specialist and epidemiologist who worked on tuberculosis and HIV in su ...
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OTL #826: Chicago’s education funding, Bourbon County Stout preview, The Secret History of Young-Holt Unlimited
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Mike Stephen discusses this year’s education funding for Chicago Public Schools with Becky Vevea, bureau chief of Chalkbeat Chicago, gets a preview of the 2022 Bourbon County Stout line with Chicago Tribune reporter Josh Noel, and discovers the Secret History of funky jazz dudes Young-Holt Unlimited.…
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OTL #825: Sailing the Race to Mackinac, Joe Policastro’s new music, Celebrating Black art
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Mike Stephen learns what it’s like sailing the Race to Mackinac with Pam Jacknow, who was a sailor on one of the winning boats this year, dives into the Joe Policastro Trio’s new album, and discusses the importance of Black art in Chicago and beyond with Patricia Andrews-Keenan, founder of Pigment International.…
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OTL #824: What is the future of local journalism?, The Secret History of Paradoxx
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Mike Stephen discusses the future of local journalism with Tim Franklin, director of the Medill Local News Initiative, and then discovers the Secret History of the 1980s metal band Paradoxx. Let's also not forget to give some love to the Thompson Center Food Court.
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OTL #823: Semi-pro football impacts Chicago, Appraising trading cards online, Funding the fight against homelessness
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Mike Stephen visits Columbus Park and sits down with Tom Robinson, the head coach of the Chicago Falcons semi-pro football team, learns about a new local business called Ludex that appraises trading cards through your phone from co-founders Brian Ludden and Heather Denniston, and gets an update on funding the fight against homelessness in Chicago f…
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OTL #822: Movie magic in Chicago, Walcot’s new music, The Secret History of Paul Cotton
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Mike Stephen visits the set of an upcoming local indie film called Twain: Cancelled, learns about new music from Asher George and his project known as Walcot, and discovers the Secret History of country-rocker from Illinois Paul Cotton.
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OTL #821: Does CPS value school librarians?, Unreliable crime data
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Schools and then discusses the impact of the lack of crime data reported to the FBI with Weihua Li of The Marshall Project.
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OTL #820: Diversity in Chicago theater, The Secret History of Stations
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Mike Stephen learns about Perception Theatre’s work to include more diverse voices in the local theater community from founder and artistic director Myesha Tiara and then discovers the Secret History of 1970s & 80s postpunk rockers Stations.
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OTL #819: Are Chicago students struggling?, The Chicago Tool Library expands, “Tagged”
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Mike Stephen discusses the preliminary results of Chicago student test data with Mila Koumpilova of Chalkbeat Chicago, gets the lowdown on the expansion of the Chicago Tool Library from co-founder Tessa Vierk, and learns about a new locally-produced film featuring Chicago street artists called Tagged from writer and executive producer Grant Troyer.…
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OTL #818: Chicago’s broken housing promises, Al Rose’s new music, The Secret History of Barbara Livsey
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Mike Stephen discusses Chicago’s affordable housing issues with ProPublica reporter Mick Dumke, talks to local musician Al Rose about his new album, and discovers the mysterious Secret History of R&B singer Barbara Livsey.
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OTL #817: Organizing for economic and social justice, The Legacy Project educates about LGBTQ history
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Mike Stephen gets an update on organizing for a more fair Chicago, especially with regard to TIF districts, with civic educator and co-founder of The CivicLab Tom Tresser and discusses the important educational work of The Legacy Project with its founder and executive director Victor Salvo.
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OTL #816: The Old Town School of Folk Music teachers organize, The Secret History of Denny Zeitlin
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Mike Stephen talks to local musician and music teacher Bill Brickey about why the Old Town School of Folk Music teachers have unionized and discovers the Secret History of cosmic jazz prodigy Denny Zeitlin.
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OTL #815: Art rejuvenates neighborhoods, Police reform recommendations, Mark Lofgren’s new music
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Rejuvenation Project, discusses recommendations for local police reform with Tracy Siska of the Chicago Justice Project, and talks with local musician Mark Lofgren about his new music.
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OTL #814: Living conditions in Illinois prisons, The Secret History of The Devil Bell Hippies
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Mike Stephen discusses a plan to address inhumane living conditions in Illinois correctional facilities with Jennifer Vollen-Katz, the executive director of the John Howard Association of Illinois, and learns the story of the Chicago avant-garde band The Devil Bell Hippies.
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OTL #813: The original Chicago canned water, Chicago Bird Collision Monitors
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Mike Stephen learns about the first company to produce canned water in Chicago called Open Water from CEO and co-founder Nicole Doucet and then discusses the rise in local bird migration this week and the dangers for those birds with Annette Prince, the director of the Chicago Bird Collision Monitors. Also, check out Mike on the latest edition of t…
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OTL #812: Neighborhood rail issues, Girls on the Run empowers, The Secret History of The Three Souls
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Mike Stephen learns about local neighborhood rail issues from Streetsblog Chicago reporter Igor Studenkov, discusses empowering young girls with Girls on the Run executive director Jill Eid, and discovers the Secret History of the local tavern jazz group the Three Souls.
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OTL #811: Education legislation update, Black history in the North Shore community
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Mike Stephen gets an update on education legislation in Springfield from Chalkbeat Chicago state education reporter Samantha Smylie and learns about Shorefront, an organization working to tell the story of Black history in the North Shore community, from its founder and executive director Dino Robinson. Also, it's pothole season in Chicago!…
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OTL #810: Chicago Covenants Project, Local power pop jams, The Secret History of Apocalypse
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Mike Stephen learns about the history of racial covenants in Chicago from Virginia Tech history professor LaDale Winling, talks power pop with William Giricz, the vocalist of the Bishop’s Daredevil Stunt Club, and discovers the Secret History of local prog-rockers Apocalypse.
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OTL #809: Chicago In Maps, The El Milagro workers organize
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Mike Stephen learns about the importance of current, historical, and thematic maps of Chicago from local historian and geographer Dennis McClendon and then discusses the effects of the El Milagro Tortilla factory workers' organizing efforts with Jose Uribe, the Workplace Justice Campaigns Organizer for Arise Chicago.…
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OTL #808: International Pop Overthrow Fest, The Secret History of Byther Smith
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Mike Stephen previews the upcoming International Pop Overthrow Festival in Chicago with founder and CEO David Bash and discovers the Secret History of blues guitarist Byther Smith.
Mike Stephen welcomes some local podcasters to talk about their innovative shows! We hear from: Jacoby Cochran, host of CityCast Chicago Sarah Beidatsch and Zac Emery, co-hosts of Album Rebrews Pete Kastanes, host of Vanished Chicagoland
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OTL #806: Oral history in suburban Chicago, The Secret History of Lil Green
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Mike Stephen learns about preserving Latino history through the Chicagolandia Oral History Project with Elgin Community College professor Antonio Ramirez and then discovers the Secret History of Chicago blues singer Lil Green.
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OTL #805: Rising crime on the CTA, After 22, Preserving democracy in Ukraine and the United States
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Mike Stephen discusses increase in crime on the CTA with Chicago Reader columnist and Streetsblog Chicago co-editor John Greenfield, learns about the Anixter Center’s After 22 program that helps youth with developmental disabilities from that group's vice president of growth and organization, Dina Donahue-Chase, and has a conversation about the con…
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OTL #804: Mobile mental health, Revisiting the Acorn Theater, The Secret History of Little Al Thomas
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Mike Stephen learns about BUILD Chicago's new Mobile Mental Health Bus with therapist David Rodriguez, discusses changes at the Acorn Theater and airs an interview he did there in 2013, and discovers the Secret History of blues singer Little Al Thomas.
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OTL #803: Black organizing in pre-Civil War Illinois, Arlene Faulk’s story of resilience in the face of MS
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Mike Stephen discusses a new online exhibit that examines the role of the Black community in pre-Civil War Illinois with Northwestern University history professor and project director Kate Masur. Check out her book called Until Justice Be Done: America's First Civil Rights Movement, from the Revolution to Reconstruction. Then, we hear from local ta…
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OTL #802: Chicago Tavern Week, Demoralized Teachers, The Secret History of Bob Stroger
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Mike Stephen gets an update on how the hospitality industry is doing during this stage of the pandemic and discusses Chicago Tavern Week with Mr. Chicago Bars, discusses teacher demoralization with Kenwood Academy teacher Dave Stieber, and learns the Secret History of nonagenarian blues bassist Bob Stroger.…
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Trailer: American Diagnosis Season 4 — Rezilience
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In the years leading up to the pandemic, Dr. Celine Gounder, the host of the EPIDEMIC and American Diagnosis podcasts, had the opportunity to care for patients part-time at several Indian Health Service facilities around the United States. Working on the “rez,” one theme came up over and over: resilience. In this latest season of American Diagnosis…
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S1E80 / Vaccine Joy / Andy Slavitt & Celine Gounder
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"It's a really interesting question: how do we get closure in this pandemic? I think a lot of people have hurt and loss that's not been acknowledged. I think acknowledging that loss is very important." - Andy Slavitt In this final episode of season 1 of EPIDEMIC, we look back on the coronavirus pandemic and how we can move forward with one of our f…
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S1E79 / Women’s Health: Fertile Ground for COVID Myths / Andrea Edlow, Stephanie Gaw, Alice Lu-Culligan, Leena Mithal, Steve Stecklow
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"Pregnant women who have SARS-CoV-2 are more likely to be admitted to the ICU, to need a ventilator and are more likely to die than women of the same age who are not pregnant. Pregnancy definitely makes getting COVID-19 much more dangerous." -Andrea Edlow Some of the most persistent myths about coronavirus and the vaccines developed to fight it hav…
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S1E78 / Caregiving as Infrastructure / Stephanie Coontz, Julie Morita, Erika Moritsugu, Sarah Murphy
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"The pandemic has given us an opportunity to finally change this and if we don't, the economic impact from the fallout of women in the workforce is going to be devastating." -Erika Moritsugu The pandemic has upended caregiving and what it means to be a working mom. More than 2 million women have left the workforce because of the cost and effort of …
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S1E77 / Vaccination Verification: Ticket to Ride or Social Divide? / Albert Fox Cahn, Lawrence Gostin, Fatima Hassan, JP Pollak
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"When you're building a system like a vaccine passport you're potentially excluding millions of people because they don't have this thing that once was optional, but has now become indispensable." -Albert Fox Cahn How do you let people who are fully vaccinated get back to normal life without creating super-spreader events for those who haven’t yet …
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S1E76 / Vaccinating the World Part II: You Can’t Fight Scarcity with Scarcity / John Nkengasong, James Krellenstein, Chelsea Clinton, Peter Hotez
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"You can't fight scarcity with scarcity. The only way out of the vaccine problem is by making a lot more of it." -James Krellenstein India is the world's largest supplier of vaccines but the government there suspended the export of all COVID-19 vaccines after a devastating outbreak this spring. This is just the latest reason why global health leade…
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S1E75 / Vaccinating the World Part I: The Problem with Patents / Chris Morten, Prithi Krishtel, Rohit Malpani
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"It's a triumph of science and engineering that we now have multiple effective COVID vaccines. We just need to find the political will to invest a bit more money and deploy them around the world." -Chris Morten President Joe Biden said the United States would be the world's "arsenal of vaccines" but critics say current plans to donate 80 million do…
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S1E74 / Techno-Racism & COVID at Home & Abroad / Mutale Nkonde, Corin Faife, Heidi Larson, Imran Ahmed
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"They benefit from traffic no matter if it's good information or malignant misinformation. " -Imran Ahmed During the pandemic, disinformation campaigns have been targeting people of color with lies like African Americans can't get COVID or denying the pandemic is even real. In this episode, we’re going to hear more about how these disinformation ne…
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S1E73 / Getting on the Right Side of Conservatives and Vaccines / Former Governor Chris Christie & Brian Castrucci
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"What we really need to be doing is not belittle people. Don't wag your finger at them. Don't make them feel stupid or small for not having gotten the vaccine yet. Talk to them about why it's safe." - Gov. Chris Christie Conservatives have emerged as the group least likely to say they’ll get vaccinated. Getting more conservative Americans comfortab…
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S1E72 / A World Wide Web of COVID Conspiracies / Graham Brookie, Devin Burghart, Bret Schafer, Judy Twigg
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"Disinformation is a deliberate falsehood put out to mislead an audience. But what we see more of are true bits of information where necessary context has been removed or manipulated in a way that makes it technically true but wildly misleading." -Bret Schafer In this episode of EPIDEMIC, we’re going to look at disinformation during the pandemic. S…
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S1E71 / Is SARS-CoV-2 Here to Stay? / Jennie Lavine, Angela Rasmussen, Jeffrey Shaman
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"I don't think that herd immunity is a possibility for SARS CoV-2. I think there's going to be a different kind of equilibrium that we reach in the future where humans and SARS-CoV-2 co-exist in a much milder, more benign way." -Jennie Lavine The end of the pandemic might not mean the end of SARS-CoV-2. In fact, many scientists think COVID is here …
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S1E70 / Country In-Roads: Building Vaccine Confidence in Rural America / Elizabeth Ellis, Dana Friend, Anna Loge, Chris Martin
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"The messaging that we've done in West Virginia is, look, we are leading the country, and that has really given people a sense that we can dispel a lot of negative stereotypes. We can be a world leader in a positive way." -Chris Martin Rural America's vaccine rollout has bucked expectations. A recent survey from the Kaiser Family Foundation found t…
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S1E69 / With Us, For Us — Black Healthcare Workers Speak Out About Vaccine Safety / Jessica Anne Mitchell Aiwuyor, Rhea Boyd, Sandra Lindsay, Tierra Rich
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"This virus does not discriminate. The vaccine is what is going to help to get us out of this crisis and stop the depth and the harm and the pain, which is what we're suffering two to three times more than our white counterparts." -Sandra Lindsay Reports show that Black Americans are less likely to get vaccinated than the general population but Bla…
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S1E68 / Medical Racism Past and Present / Vanessa Northington Gamble, Harriet Washington, Rueben Warren
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"We have to have a conversation where we take people's fears seriously and try to figure out what is going on there." -Vanessa Gamble Black Americans are twice as likely to die from COVID as white Americans. Despite this, polls show that African-Americans are less interested in receiving the vaccine than other groups. But for people of color who do…
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S1E67 / Past Is Prologue: Epidemics & Anti-Asian Xenophobia / Toby Chow, Merlin Chowkwanyun, David Randall
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"I think a lot of people don't understand how fearful Chinese Americans and other Asian Americans are in this moment" -Toby Chow On March 16, a gunman in Atlanta killed eight people. Six of them were women of Asian descent. During the last 12 months, anti-Asian hate crimes were up 150% in the United States but the coronavirus pandemic is not the fi…
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S1E66 / Brazil’s P.1 Variant — the Limits of Natural Herd Immunity / Felipe Naveca & Ester Sabino
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"This is an invisible war and if we don't use our weapons we are not going to win it." -Ester Sabino In the fall of 2020, the Brazilian city of Manaus had the highest SARS CoV-2 infection rate in the world — possibly as high as 75 percent. Some speculated that with rates of infection this high, there would not be enough people left for the virus to…
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S1E65 / Vaccines and Motherly Love / Heather Simpson, Elena Conis, Rebecca Onion, Jonathan Berman
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"We easily have never had as high a level of vaccination acceptance as we have now but we've asked a lot more of the public. The resistance that we see today is a response, in part, to that compounded request over time." - Elena Conis The vast majority of Americans accept vaccines but concerns about the effect vaccines could theoretically have on k…
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S1E64 / The Origins of Vaccine Hesitancy / Jonathan Berman, Nadja Durbach and Michael Willrich
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"Every generation has generated its own anti-vaccinationism based on very similar concerns." -Jonathan Berman Vaccines are a safe and critical public health tool. They prevent crippling childhood diseases like polio. They’re responsible for the eradication of one of the deadliest diseases ever — smallpox — and, today, they’re one of the most import…
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S1E63 / Chasing the Cure / David Fajgenbaum
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"When we think about a virus we don't think as much about the immune response to the virus but it is just so, so critical." -David Fajgenbaum Where do treatments come from when there's a new disease like COVID-19? The vast majority of drugs prescribed to treat COVID during the pandemic are actually old drugs. Some of the most effective have been ar…
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S1E62 / South Africa’s B.1.351 Variant — Immunity-Evading / Salim Abdool Karim, Richard Lessells, Jinal Bhiman, Allison Greaney
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"It just shows how difficult it is to be reactive with this virus. By the time you've detected something and understood the significance of it you're already several steps behind the virus." -Richard Lessells This is the second in our series on variants of concern. Our previous episode looked at the UK variant, and today we’re looking at the varian…
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S1E61 / The UK’s B.1.1.7 Variant — More Contagious and Virulent / Andrew Hayward, Trevor Bedford, Gard Nelson, Graham Medley
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"I had been assuming that my life and everyone else's life would get closer to normal in March. This [variant] has me worried that it won't be March, that we'll have a spring wave and I don't know how big that will be." -Trevor Bedford This winter a new, more contagious variant of SARS-CoV-2 arose in the United Kingdom: B.1.1.7. The CDC estimates t…
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S1E60 / On the Hunt for the Next Pandemic Virus / Tony Goldberg, Adam Bailey, Jennifer Gardy, Sagan Friant
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"When we interact with nature there are unpredictable and weird mechanisms by which pathogens might be able to move between the species." -Tony Goldberg There’s a lot we don’t know about the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 virus but there is a consensus that it came from animals. This is called zoonosis. HIV, Zika, and Ebola were all viruses in animals be…
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S1E59 / A Perfect Storm for Depression – Deaths of Despair Pt II / Anne Case & Roy Perlis
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"This is not like a lot of the other disasters that people have studied. It looks a lot more like what you'd expect to see in people who have lived through a war. " -Roy Perlis This is the second in our two-part series about deaths of despair during the pandemic. We speak with experts and review the latest data on how the pandemic is affecting rate…
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S1E58 / An Overdose Epidemic – Deaths of Despair Pt I / Sandra Lindie, Will Cooke, Jennifer Fecu
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"When the pandemic hit, many of our recovery groups went online but that's really not the same. All that great work we had been building momentum towards came to a screeching halt." -Will Cooke Overdoses have spiked during the pandemic. One of the reasons is a breakdown in the community support so critical to keeping people off drugs. Social distan…
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S1E57 / Disrupting Restaurants Part II / Amanda Cohen, Saru Jayarmanan, Pete Ternes
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"It's my responsibility as an owner to figure out how to afford to pay everyone an ethical, fair, livable wage but we have to start from the premise of paying them an ethical, livable wage" -Pete Ternes We’re revisiting restaurants as part of our series on industries disrupted by the pandemic. In this episode we speak with restaurateurs and a labor…
