Aaron Niequist hosts a podcast through his book--The Eternal Current--one episode per chapter. Each episode will 1) Reflect on the key idea of that chapter, 2) Have a conversation with someone who is living it out in the world, and 3) Learn a concrete practice that helps us flesh this theme into our hearts, bodies, and relationships. Not merely about ideas...but learning how to swim.
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22 Praying Like a Master Chef (w Shauna Niequist)
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Shauna Niequist teaches us a form of prayer based on the words of Jesus and a master chef's approach to recipes. Fresh, insightful, and incredibly practical for anyone who desires to pray in a more whole-hearted way. Shauna also shares the heart behind her brand new book, I Guess I Haven’t Learned that Yet, which is available this week.…
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21 Father Stu and the Way of Jesus (with Mark Wahlberg)
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Actor and Producer Mark Wahlberg joins Aaron to talk about his new film, Father Stu, and the tension between the way of Jesus and the messy brokenness of the church. Plus, they talk about golf. A lot.By Aaron Niequist
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20 Resilient Pastors, Priests and Guides (with Glenn Packiam)
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Pastor and writer Glenn Packiam returns to share wisdom from his book, The Resilient Pastor, and speak into our plans for the Pastors, Priests & Guides retreat. The heart-felt conversation is meant for pastors, priests, and ANYONE following Christ during this tumultuous and disillusioning season.By Aaron Niequist
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19 The Beatitudes: A View from the Hill (with Stu G)
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Musician and author Stu G tells the story of his incredible Beatitudes Project: an album, book, film, podcast and e-course. Spending more than a decade creating art based on the beatitudes has given Stu deep insight and fresh language for Jesus’ words. Inspiring.By Aaron Niequist
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18 The Beatitudes: The Ninefold Path (with Mark Scandrette)
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Mark Scandrette joins Aaron to talk about the Beatitudes and how Christ’s words lead us back into reality. Speaking from his book “The Ninefold Path of Jesus: Hidden Wisdom of the Beatitudes”, Mark invites us into new ways of hearing, and new tangible practices. Compelling and practical.By Aaron Niequist
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17 The Beatitudes: A New Liturgy and Three Conversations
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Inspired by the brand new A New Liturgy No 9: The Beatitudes project, Aaron invites us to dive into an embodied practice of the beatitudes. In this first episode, he shares the heart behind the project and why the neighbor-loving, peace-making Way of Christ is the only hope for our world. Aaron also plays numerous clips of the new liturgy recording…
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16 The Thing Beneath the Thing (w Steve Carter)
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Speaker, pastor, and author Steve Carter helps us explore “The Thing Beneath the Thing: What is hidden inside and what God helps us to do about it.” Steve has a brilliant and winsome way of translating deep truths into our actual lives. A tender and really helpful conversation.By Aaron Niequist
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15 Scriptures Call to Leverage Privilege (w Dominique Dubois Gilliard)
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Dominique Dubois Gilliard unpacks his new book, Subversive Witness, to help us name our privilege and use it for the sake of others. A deeply biblical and subversively beautiful call to live a cruciform life in the way of Jesus.By Aaron Niequist
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14 Israel, Palestine, & Mutual Flourishing (w Greg Khalil)
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Greg Khalil, co-founder of the Telos peacemaking organization, helps us understand the profound simplicity AND unimaginable complexity of the Israeli / Palestinian conflict. More importantly, he invites us to become a tangible part of the solution. Blessed are the peacemakers.By Aaron Niequist
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13 Restorative Justice (w Rev Dr Michael Battle)
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Rev Dr Michael Battle shares about his life-changing work with Archbishop Desmond Tutu, choosing restoration over the cycle of retribution, and the brilliantly subversive Way of Christ. A crucially important conversation and a brand new guided practice.By Aaron Niequist
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12 The Church Cracked Open (w Rev Stephanie Spellers)
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Rev Canon Dr Stephanie Spellers names the searing truth about the state of the American church, AND offers a clear-eyed and contagious hope for what might still be possible. Based on her brilliant new book The Church Cracked Open, Rev Stephanie offers a story of disruption, decline, and new hope for Beloved Community.…
Pastor and author Brian Zahnd helps us enter into Holy Week by retelling the big Story of Christ's journey to the cross. Rather than perpetuating the myth of redemptive violence, Brian invites us to join this subversive, self-giving, radical Way. A non-partisan, beautifully provocative invitation into the vision, politics, and revolution of Jesus.…
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10 The Universal Moan - Part Two (w David Bailey, Ashlee Eiland, and Drew Jackson)
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David Bailey, Ashlee Eiland, and Drew Jackson reflect on the previous episode with Dr Barbara A Holmes. From their experience in the black church—and moving through life in black bodies—they explored Dr Holmes’ vision of the universal moan and invited us all to participate in appropriate ways. A beautiful and stretching conversation with three incr…
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9 The Universal Moan - Part One (w Dr Barbara A Holmes)
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Spiritual teacher, activist, and scholar Dr Barbara A. Holmes unpacks her game-changing book Joy Unspeakable: Contemplative Practices of the Black Church. She gently and brilliantly invites us to move beyond a Eurocentric imagination and into the deeper Christian stream that connect us all.By Aaron Niequist
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8 The Deeply Formed Life (w Rich Villodas)
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Pastor Rich Villodas returns to explore the five themes of his wonderful book, The Deeply Formed Life. Through teaching and stories, he helps us consider the formative practices of contemplative rhythms, racial reconciliation, interior examination, sexual wholeness, and missional presence. May we learn to live deeply in a shallow world.…
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7 Contemplative Activism (w Fr Michael Sparough, SJ)
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Fr Michael Sparough, SJ, returns to share his story and struggle to hold the contemplative life together with bold and courageous action. Must we choose to be an exhausted activist or an isolated contemplative? Or can we learn to hold the inward and outward journeys together in constructive tension? Please join this insightful conversation and guid…
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6 Jesus and John Wayne (w Kristin Kobes Du Mez)
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Author and historian Kristin Kobes Du Mez joins Aaron to talk about her provocative new book, Jesus and John Wayne. In the first half of this episode, Kristin shares the history of how white Evangelicalism was malformed through an embrace of toxic masculinity. In the second half, three compelling guests join the conversation to explore the practice…
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5 A Practicing Community (w Drew Jackson)
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Pastor Drew Jackson shares about the communal practices that help anchor his church in God's tangible love for the East Village of NYC. He talks about the embodied work of justice, why preaching alone is not enough, and how his community cultivates a life of action and contemplation. Drew also guides us in two different practices.…
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4 The Paschal Mystery (w Fr Ron Rolheiser, OMI)
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Fr Ron Rolheiser, OMI, teaches the universal pattern of death, resurrection, waiting, letting go, and receiving a new spirit for new life. Teaching from his brilliant book, The Holy Longing, Fr Ron observes that the Christian church has only taught us half of this Paschal Mystery—which is why so many of us live in disappointment, resentment, and a …
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3 Prayer in the Night (with Tish Harrison Warren)
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Tish Harrison Warren, Anglican priest and gifted writer, shares her story of loss, doubt, and dark night of the soul. Through the nighttime prayer of Compline, she describes a tender but deeply grounded pathway into a new space of honesty, trust and hope. At the very end, Tish guides us through a short Compline experience. For all who work or watch…
In this vulnerable episode, Aaron offers his messy faith story of the last couple years. May it create a bit of safe space for you to engage the losing and finding of your faith. And may we all be swept more fully into the depth of Reality and the Hope of a God who has not given up on us or the world.…
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Intro to Season Two: Swimming in a Tsunami
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Aaron shares the heart and invitation of Season 2: Swimming During a Tsunami. Over the next twelve episodes, we will explore the question: How do we not drown in the whirlpool of society's chaos and religion's complicity? Is it even possible in 2021 to swim in the river that Christ called 'life to the full'? And if so…HOW? Season 2 invites us back …
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39 A Full Re-Cap of Season ONE of the Eternal Current Podcast
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In this re-cap of Season 1, Aaron talks through the heart and most notable moments from the first ten episodes. He shares the central idea driving the season, reflects on the process of making each episode, and then plays a few of his favorite clips from the interviews. We offer this episode as a way to remember where we’ve been, and as an easy on-…
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38 Faith After Doubt (with Brian Mclaren)
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Brian McLaren returns to share about his brilliant and timely new book, Faith After Doubt. The tender and honest conversation explores the painful seasons when our faith stops working, and the new life that can be born in these dark nights of the soul. Brian teaches about four stages of faith and offers sage wisdom for moving forward, step by step,…
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37 The Lord's Prayer Ep 10: An Embodied Hope (with Glenn Packiam)
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How can we have hope when the world feels this messed up? Glenn Packiam brings his doctoral research plus years of pastoral ministry to help us move beyond simplistic optimism and into a deep, grounded, Christian Hope. Both theologically rigorous and surprisingly practical, this episode helps us cultivate an embodied hope that propels us into the w…
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36 The Construct of Race, the Evangelical Church, and the Mind of Christ (with Daniel Hill)
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Pastor and author Daniel Hill helps us consider how the parasite of white supremacy has infected our country and particularly the Christian faith. With a humble and bridge-building spirit, Daniel brings incredible insight into how we got here, and the practices that can realign us with the reconciling way of Christ. Please don’t miss this one.…
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35 A Lord's Prayer reflection: What Do We Do With Our Fear?
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Aaron pauses the series to share a story and reflect on the question "What do we do with our fear?" An informal and personal episode that ends with a brand new liturgy.By Aaron Niequist
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34 The Lord's Prayer Ep 9: Lead Us and Deliver Us (with Stu G)
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Stu G brings the wisdom and incredible music from his Beatitudes Project to help us hear “Lead us not into temptation and deliver us from evil” with new ears. What does it mean to be a holy troublemaker in the world today? How can we know if we are being persecuted for Christ, or persecuted because we are unlike Christ? A robust conversation...with…
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33 The Lord's Prayer Ep 8: As We Forgive (with Fr Michael Sparough, SJ)
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Fr Michael Sparough, SJ, returns with a brand new meditation that helps us forgive those who have sinned against us. He brilliantly guides a four step process to extend the mercy we’ve been given to a person who has hurt us. This is a life-changing invitation. A deeper freedom is possible. And Grace will carry us through.…
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32 The Lord's Prayer Ep 7: Forgive Us (with Fr Michael Sparough, SJ)
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Fr Michael Sparough, SJ, returns to the podcast with a brand new meditation to help us pray for the grace to know our sin. Trusting in the bedrock of God’s unquenchable mercy, we learn to notice and let go of anything that holds us back from love. To prepare for the meditation, Fr Michael and Aaron have a short conversation about the nature and gif…
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31 The Lord's Prayer Ep 6: Give Us Our Daily Bread (with Shauna Niequist)
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Author Shauna Niequist invites us into the earthy and tender prayer “give us our daily bread” during this season of pandemic and uncertainty. Pulling from culinary and theological streams, with her usual wisdom and humor, Shauna names the gift God offers every one of us—and teaches us how to humbly receive it every day.…
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30 The Lord's Prayer Ep 5: May Your Kingdom Come (with Shane Claiborne)
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Activist and author Shane Claiborne explores the phrase “May Your Kingdom come.” Through word pictures, humble reflections, and compelling stories from his life, Shane helps us imagine how to participate in God’s dream for the world, on earth as it is in Heaven. A deeply moving, surprising, and practical episode.…
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29 The Lord's Prayer Ep 4: Hallowed is Your Name (with Sean Palmer)
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We live in a culture that is coarse, frantic, and frenetic. Pastor and author Sean Palmer explores what it means to consider something holy. Set apart. He helps us receive Jesus’ phrase “Hallowed be Your Name” as less of a religious appeal to an insecure God in need of worship, and more of a pathway to anchor our trust in the One who cannot fail us…
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28 The Lord's Prayer Ep 3: Who Art in Heaven (with Diana Butler Bass)
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Episode 2 asked “Is God a dude?” This episode asks “Does God live on a cloud somewhere far away?” And I can’t imagine a better guide to help us explore these questions than Diana Butler Bass. In her words, the first line of The Lord’s Prayer “explodes” many of our concepts of God...inviting us into a wider and more beautiful space. At the end, Aaro…
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27 The Lord's Prayer Ep 2: Our Father (with Diana Butler Bass)
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As we explore The Lord's Prayer, the brilliant Diana Butler Bass helps us think theologically and historically about Jesus' choice to name God "Our Father". Is God a dude? Or is the invitation to pray "Our Father" something deeper and wider and more beautiful? Pulling from scripture, church history, and the world we live in, Diana helps us reimagin…
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26 The Lord's Prayer Ep 1: Introduction and Brand New Song (with Aaron Niequist)
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In a season of pandemic and social tumult, we are spending the next 9 episodes exploring The Lord's Prayer and learning to put it into practice. One line per episode. A short conversation and a tangible practice. In this episode, Aaron Niequist shares the invitation of this historic prayer, and debuts the new song from A New Liturgy No 8: The Lord'…
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25 Practices for Pandemic Ep 13: Race, Injustice and Practices of Reconciliation (with David Bailey)
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David Bailey, founder of Arrabon, helps us wrestle with the realities of race in the U.S. After a short history lesson, David offers a brilliant definition of “white supremacy”, teaches a roadmap for constructive action, and leads a powerful spiritual practice. A masterclass by a truly gifted guide…for such a time as this.…
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24 Practices for Pandemic Ep 12: The Right Bodies in the Right Places (with Angie Hong)
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Angie Hong shares her experience as a Korean-American woman...feeling like she was the wrong body in the place she found herself. But in view of The Creator, she learned that she was actually given the right body; but she was simply in the wrong place. Angie invites us into a four part practice of being the right body in the right place: Truth, Com…
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23 Practices for Pandemic Ep 11: Blessed to Be a Blessing (with Aaron Niequist)
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Aaron shares a personal experience from the week, reflecting on ways that quarantine has turned his focus overly inward. After telling the story of writing the song “Changed” for the Mars Hill community, he invites us into a short “blessed to be a blessing” liturgy. Join us as we pray for (and seek to serve) our neighbors, family, enemies, and worl…
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22 Practices for Pandemic Ep 10: Praying for President Trump with Eyes Open (with Brian McLaren)
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Writer and public theologian Brian Mclaren helps us reflect on a Christianity that helps us love the world rather than escape from it. We explore the tension of rejecting an “us vs them” posture without choosing false equivalence. And then Brian guides a sincere and prophetic prayer for President Trump based on 1 Corinthians 13.…
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21 Practices for Pandemic Ep 9: Radical Kindness (with Ashlee Eiland)
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Pastor and author Ashlee Eiland offers a vision and practice for radical kindness. Sharing from her book Human(kind), she calls for something deeper than mere “niceness”--inviting us to embrace our own imago Dei and honor it in everyone we meet. A beautifully prophetic practice for our divided times.…
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20 Practices for Pandemic Ep 8: Prayer of Imagination PART TWO (with Fr Michael Sparough, SJ)
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(Part 2 of 2) Fr Michael Sparough, SJ, returns to guide a two part prayer of imagination on the Two Standards by St Ignatius. Together with an original score by Aaron Niequist, we invite you into a fully immersive prayer experience for your heart, mind, imagination, and body. Join us?By Aaron Niequist
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20 Practices for Pandemic Ep 8: Prayer of Imagination Part ONE (with Fr Michael Sparough, SJ)
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Fr Michael Sparough, SJ, returns to guide a two part prayer of imagination on the Two Standards by St Ignatius. Together with an original score by Aaron Niequist, we invite you into a fully immersive prayer experience for your heart, mind, imagination, and body. Join us? (Part 1 of 2)By Aaron Niequist
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19 Practices for Pandemic Ep 7: Lectio for Courage (with Rich Villodas)
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Rich Villodas lives and pastors in Queens, NY. After sharing about life near the center of the pandemic, he guides us in a Lectio Divina experience of Christ’s assuring words: "Take courage, it is I. Don’t be afraid."By Aaron Niequist
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18 Practices for Pandemic Ep 6: Contemplative Action (with Jonathan Merritt)
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Jonathan Merritt guides us in a practice for contemplative activists in the time of pandemic. He helps us anchor our souls deeply in God, and then open to the ways we can participate in loving action—both during the crisis and beyond. May our doing always flow from our being.By Aaron Niequist
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17 Practices for Pandemic Ep 5: Connecting with Creation (with Dr Cheryl Bridges Johns)
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Dr Cheryl Bridges Johns reflects theologically and practically on the ways Creation simultaneously centers and expands our souls. And she offers a few concrete practices, whether we live in an urban apartment, a suburban subdivision, or in the middle of Yellowstone National Park. The Creation is inviting us to rememberer our created-ness.…
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16 Practices for Pandemic Ep 4: Praying with Merton and St Mother Teresa (with Fr Michael Sparough, SJ)
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Fr Michael Sparough, SJ, offers dramatic readings of two brilliant prayers: "Thoughts in Solitude" by Thomas Merton and "I Thirst" by St Mother Teresa. May these words and sounds create holy space for us in these tumultuous days.By Aaron Niequist
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15 Practices for Pandemic Ep 3: Learning to Lament (with Aaron Niequist)
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Unless we find concrete ways to weep over the brokenness, we will often use the brokenness to break others. Or ourselves. Lament provides a healing third way to engage the sorrow without exporting it. In this episode, Aaron Niequist invites us into this historic spiritual practice. Carried by Jenna Perinne's nine steps of lament, David Gungor's sin…
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14 Practices for Pandemic Ep 2: Interior Space (with Phileena Heuertz)
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Spiritual director and retreat leader Phileena Heuertz reflects on the ways that stress and fear affect our whole bodies. And she invites us to learn to honor a nervous system that is working hard for our safety, while engaging practices that remind it we are okay. Phileena concludes with a guided time of breath work, silence, and reflection. Deep …
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13 Practices for Pandemic Ep 1: Sign of the Cross (Fr Michael Sparough, SJ)
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This episode begins a new series of meditations and practices to help anchor our hearts in something deeper than the news cycle. In this fear-soaked time of sickness and quarantine, a few wise guides will help us create holy space that makes room for our Creator to do what only Love can do. Episode one shares the heart of this journey, and invites …