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Upside Down Podcast is an ecumenical podcast at the intersection of justice, spirituality, and culture. Join us for conversations about God's Upside Down Kingdom. No topic is off limits. Upside Down Podcast is a collaborative Christian podcast co-founded by Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace. Some of our most popular guests have included Christena Cleveland, Dr. John Perkins, Shane Claiborne, Jo Saxton, Father Greg Boyle, Shannan Martin, and Dominique Gilliard. Popular episodes have featured the ...
 
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What brings you rest? Is it something that’s easy for you to embrace, or do you find yourself struggling with it? Co-hosts Kayla Craig, Alissa Molina, and Patricia Taylor talk about the need for rest—to nourish ourselves and to love one another—in our final episode of the season. In this episode, we: Discuss how rest can be a struggle when it is of…
 
How do you begin to reconnect with your community after over a year of wading through the collective heaviness of a global pandemic? Co-hosts Lindsy Wallace, Alissa Molina, and Kayla Craig gather to connect and reflect on where we are and where we’ve been. In this episode, we: Acknowledge the importance and exhaustion of connecting and how we have …
 
“Silence is not spiritual, and action is not optional.” Author, speaker, and podcast host Tiffany Bluhm talks with host Patricia Taylor about accountability and abuse—particularly in faith spaces—and the hard questions we must ask. TW: This episode covers spiritual abuse, though it does not go into specific details. Still, we want to allow listener…
 
Is there truly enough for everyone, and do we really believe there is abundance? Hosts Alissa Molina, Patricia Taylor, Kayla Craig, and Lindsy Wallace discuss what it means to live out of a posture of abundance in a world that has conditioned us to believe in scarcity. In this episode, we: Talk about how we seem to embrace the concept of spiritual …
 
What does a liberated faith look like? Writer and speaker Danté Stewart talks with co-hosts Patricia Taylor and Lindsy Wallace about the meaning of liberation and how it impacts how we view God, ourselves, and the world. In this episode, we: Reflect on the complex, beautiful, and terrible journey of liberation, the changes we make along the way, an…
 
How do you know when you’ve grown, and how does that growth show up in other parts of your life? Speaker, author, musician, curator, and previous podcast guest Justin McRoberts talks with co-hosts Kayla Craig and Patricia Taylor about what growth does in us in our faith, our relationships, and the risks we must take. In this episode, we: Chat about…
 
What would it look like if we experienced the Lenten season as a time in which we find God in all things, including the suffering? Writer Cameron Bellm and co-host Alissa Molina have a rich conversation about “the ministry of beautiful hard” and how Lent is an invitation for all of us. In this episode, we: Talk about the act of joining and seeking …
 
Why is dreaming so significant, and how do you dream freely? Inspired by National Youth Poet Laureate Amanda Gorman’s beautiful inauguration poem, co-hosts Patricia Taylor, Kayla Craig, Lindsy Wallace, and Alissa Molina discuss the necessity of dreaming and having prophetic imagination. In this episode, we: Talk about the boundlessness of dreaming …
 
What does it mean to "reclaim theology?" And why might that be necessary? Lindsy Wallace hosts this episode with co-host Patricia Taylor, and guest Brandi Miller joins to talk about why it's important for Christians to take theology back from ideas and systems that oppress. Brandi Miller is the host of the Reclaiming My Theology podcast and communi…
 
In this first episode of 2021, we continue with our focus on the necessities. As we begin this new year, it seems one of the most hard fought necessities we are grasping for is that of Hope. Alissa hosts the episode, with Kayla, Lindsy and Patty joining for a conversation on what it means to fight through despair and work for a discipline of hope. …
 
Surprise! Bonus episode! In this bonus episode of Upside Down Podcast co-host Lindsy Wallace shares why grieving 2020 is necessary, what happens in our bodies when we don't grieve, ideas for how to do so in creative and embodied ways, and challenges us with the question, What is the meaning we will make of 2020? News, Notes, and Links: Support more…
 
In this final episode before the Christmas break, we take some time to point our weary hearts toward our collective necessity for healing. To help us delve deeper into this topic, Kayla Craig and Patty Taylor welcome Dr. Monique Gadson. Dr. Monique is a Licensed Professional Counselor with over 16 years of counseling, consulting, and program develo…
 
In this episode on the Necessity of Advent, Alissa Molina hosts and is joined by Kayla Craig, Lindsy Wallace and Patty Taylor to discuss Advent as the season quickly approaches. They bring tired and weary hearts, minds, and bodies to flesh out: Awe as it relates to the Word becoming Flesh The reminder that God is near us even if sometimes he feels …
 
What does it mean for the church to be a witness? What do our 21st-century sensibilities miss about Jesus’ 1st-century sociopolitical relevance? In this episode of Upside Down Podcast, Lindsy Wallace and Patricia Taylor process a conversation with author and professor Drew G.I. Hart about the revolutionary life of Jesus and the ways in which we can…
 
What is the importance of community? Patricia Taylor hosts and is joined by Kayla Craig, Lindsy Wallace and Alissa Molina for this episode of examining what community is today. Pull up a seat at our table in the wilderness as we ask each other how community in the time of Jesus can influence an upside-down life today. In this episode, we: Assess th…
 
Why is it necessary to vote with our neighbors in mind? Lisa Sharon Harper joins all of the Upside Down Podcast co-hosts for this episode. Lisa is the author of The Very Good Gospel and founder and president of FreedomRoad.us, a consulting group dedicated to shrinking the narrative gap in our nation by designing forums and experiences that bring co…
 
We know that God created everything that is Good, True and Beautiful. How in times like these, with so much that feels so heavy, hurtful and even downright ugly, can we find what is beautiful and in turn find the Divine? Growing up in Missouri as the son of Nigerian immigrants, the life of Ike Ndolo is a woven tapestry of experiences: Hymns and Bob…
 
What does it mean to be for life in 2020? Join us for Season 5 with the hosts you know, founders Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace, veteran Alissa Molina, and our newest voice, Patricia Taylor to kick off a season of exploring what is needed in spirituality, justice, culture, and community. In this episode, we: Evaluate ‘pro-life’ as Jesus intended fo…
 
This global pandemic has only magnified the fractures in our systems -- and even in our own hearts. In our final episode of season four, we’re asking this question: How do we not go back to the way things were before COVID-19? In our country, in our world, in our neighborhoods, in our families...in our own hearts? We don’t want to go back to normal…
 
Kaitlin Curtice joins Lindsy and Kayla with a conversation that is both a gentle challenge and a balm of encouragement. Kaitlin is a citizen of the Potawatomi Nation, a Christian, and a poet who speaks on faith and justice within the church as it relates to Indigenous peoples. Her newest book, Native: Identity, Belonging, and Rediscovering God came…
 
Join host Kayla Craig with co-host Alissa Molina as they welcome Latasha Morrison. Tasha is a speaker, author, reconciler, bridge-builder, and leader, committed to educating people on cultural intelligence and racial literacy. She founded Be the Bridge in 2016 to encourage racial reconciliation among all ethnicities, to promote racial unity in Amer…
 
It’s Black Maternal Health Week in America. Join host Alissa Molina and co-host Lindsy Wallace as we no longer only follow along with the work of Cessilye Smith, but have the opportunity to sit and learn from her. Her work in the areas of maternal health and justice are powerful. As she works to help drop the staggering numbers of black women who d…
 
Kayla Craig, along with Gina Ciliberto, welcomes Reverend Anna Woofenden as she offers a new direction for planting churches, literally. She started a church in an empty lot in Los Angeles by planting a community garden. In her new book, This Is God’s Table: Finding Church Beyond the Walls, Anna shares the story of what happened when she gardened, …
 
What does it mean to be modest? Are modesty and purity the same thing? In this episode, Alissa, Gina, Kayla, and Lindsy candidly discuss the topic of modesty in our culture through the lens of God’s upside-down kingdom. Bringing varying backgrounds and faith experiences to the table, we ponder aloud what to make of the call by many Christians to "b…
 
We’re exploring the fullness of our humanity: the good, the bad, and how to hold space for each other. In this episode, we welcome guest Sister Didi Madden, a Dominican Sister of Blauvelt, NY. Sister Didi is a psychotherapist, a farmer, and the justice promoter for a collaboration of Dominican congregations in NY and NJ. She currently works on Harm…
 
Is anger all bad? What’s the difference between healthy, constructive anger and unhealthy, destructive anger? In this episode, Kayla Craig leads a vulnerable discussion about anger, emotions, and faith with Lindsy Wallace, Alissa Molina, and Gina Ciliberto. Have you ever wondered: Is God an angry God? Should Christians get angry? Should women get a…
 
Join us as we welcome Dr. Larycia Hawkins, who talks about her experience when, in 2015, she declared her intention to don a hijab in embodied solidarity with Muslim sisters throughout Advent and what transpired afterward. Host Lindsy Wallace and co-host Gina Ciliberto join in the conversation. Dr. Hawkins is a scholar, political science professor,…
 
It’s Complicated. The more we learn about the suffering of the world, the more difficult it can become to live in it. Join host Lindsy Wallace along with co-hosts Kayla Craig, Alissa Molina, and Gina Ciliberto, to unpack living as engaged, thoughtful, neighbor-loving humans in a world where every choice has unintended, and possibly unknown, consequ…
 
Dr. Christena Cleveland leads Kayla and Lindsy in a conversation exploring how cultural perceptions of race and gender impact the way we view God. In this episode, we: Learn how Christena's background influenced how she views ethnicity and feminity Question how Christians arrived at a male perception of God Unpack what heals inside of us when we im…
 
Host Kayla Craig and co-host Alissa Molina welcome Sami DiPasquale to this episode of Upside Down Podcast - Kinship at the Border. We’re moving beyond headlines to discuss how to best love our neighbors at the US/Mexico border. Sami is Executive Director of the Ciudad Nueva Community Outreach; which seeks to embody the gospel of Jesus Christ by adv…
 
What can Catholics and Protestants learn from each other's traditions? Can we work together in God’s upside-down kingdom? And when can—or should—we set aside the subtle (or not-so-subtle) differences in thought, doctrine, and practice of our own Christian belief systems to work toward a common good? Alissa Molina hosts an intimate and honest ecumen…
 
Season 4 | Episode 58 - Good Grief Grief is the deep sorrow, anguish, and pain we feel after a loss or a death of a loved one. We all know it when it comes to us, in our hearts and in our bones. But, once we’re faced with that heaviness, what do we do with grief? How do we move forward with it or lean into it? Host Gina Ciliberto and co-hosts Linds…
 
We’re familiar with or at least heard of the Enneagram, but how can it help us usher in a more livable world for the most marginalized among us? What does this age-old tool of self-discovery have to say to us today, in our deeply polarized often tragic times? In this episode, Lindsy and Kayla talk with Jesse Eubanks and Sam Stevenson of the EnneaCa…
 
What's performative wokeness? How does our faith influence the destructive performativity of Internet activism? In this episode, join host Kayla, with co-hosts Lindsy, Alissa, and Gina, in this first discussion of Season 4 - "Get Your People." In this episode, we: Laugh as we catch up with co-hosts after our summer hiatus Explore the definition of …
 
Violence permeates our society. But Shane Claiborne and Mike Martin believe we can begin preparing for the future the prophets foretold now, where swords will be converted to plows. Join us as we discuss their new book, Beating Guns, which Walter Brueggemann called, “The quintessential pro-life book if there ever was one!” When Jesus said to love y…
 
Hope is still possible, even when the pain of the world feels like too much. What if kindness, empathy, and compassion are the way forward? Join host Kayla Craig and co-hosts Lindsy Wallace, Alissa Molina, and Gina Ciliberto with special guest John Pavlovitz. John is a writer, pastor, and activist. In the past five years, John's blog Stuff That Nee…
 
You can’t fully explain it. But we’ve all experienced the phenomenon: Inner tugs that just won’t let us go. What are callings? How do we define vocation? Inspired by one of our first and most-popular episodes, "Hashtag Blessed," comes "Hashtag Called." Gina Ciliberto hosts a conversation on what it means to be “called” with co-hosts Alissa Molina, …
 
What is prayer? Why does it matter? Is there a right way to pray? Join Kayla Craig, Lindsy Wallace, and Alissa Molina as they enter into an engaging, unexpected, fast-paced conversation with Justin McRoberts and Scott Erickson; the authors of Prayer: Forty Days of Practice. We talk about praying when you don’t want to pray or don’t know how, being …
 
In this episode, Lindsy Wallace is joined by guest co-host and friend of the podcast Diana Oestreich in a conversation with Claire Swinarski of The Catholic Feminist Podcast to discuss the “F” word, as well as labeling ourselves and others. In this episode, we: Learn The Catholic Feminist Podcast origin story; Unpack the definition of “feminist”; D…
 
What happens when your plans get turned upside down? What happens when you have to begin again? This two-part episode starts on a personal note and ends with exciting introductions of TWO new co-hosts! First, Upside Down Podcast founders Kayla and Lindsy share the unexpected events that happened between Jan. 6 and Feb. 6 in both of their families, …
 
What is ethical storytelling? Why is it important to allow others to tell their own stories? In this thought-provoking episode, we're back from our hiatus to do a deep dive into what to consider when sharing the stories of others in a way that honors their dignity. Kayla Craig hosts with Lindsy Wallace and guests Dr. Melissa Borja and refugee advoc…
 
What does "representation matters" mean? Ryan Tolbert of Tru-Colour Bandages joins Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace to discuss what representation is, why it matters, their own representation experiences, and how they believe a kinder, more inclusive planet is in our future. In this episode, we: Learn the Tru-Colour Bandages origin story; Unpack what…
 
Consumption! Capitalism! Consumerism! Christmas! We’re hitting pause and engaging the heart of consumption, capitalism, consumerism and most importantly, the heart of Christmas. What does it mean to celebrate the birth of Jesus, a poor kid from Nazareth who learned his father’s trade and had nowhere to lay his head? Ashley Hales and Shannan Martin …
 
Get ready for a very special conversation with Father Gregory Boyle, founder of Homeboy Industries, the largest gang intervention, rehab and re-entry program in the United States. Father G sat down with Kayla Craig during his visit to Iowa to discuss kinship, compassion, and hope in suffering. We welcome you into this intimate conversation. Soak up…
 
Immigration has become a polarizing and politicized topic in our country and our world. Demeaning phrases and overwhelming statistics are thrown around with frightening ease and often it seems we have forgotten that we are talking about people. We’ve invited today’s guest, Sarah Quezada, to remind us of the humanness of immigration. Sarah is a writ…
 
We're excited to share our first episode ever recorded with a live audience, recorded at the Upside Down Gathering on Sept. 21. In this conversation, we dive into the tension between faith deconstruction and reconstruction, guided by professional counselor and friend of the podcast Aundi Kolber. Kayla Craig, Lindsy Wallace, and Shannon Evans open u…
 
We talk vulnerability with Mandy Smith, lead pastor of University Christian Church, a campus and neighborhood congregation with its own fair-trade café in Cincinnati. Mandy is a regular contributor to Christianity Today and Missio Alliance and the author of “The Vulnerable Pastor: How Human Limitations Empower Our Ministry.” She also is the directo…
 
We kick off season three with an extra special conversation with one of our friends at Preemptive Love Coalition! Jessica Courtney, co-founder and Vice President of International Programs for Preemptive Love Coalition, joins Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace to discuss unmaking violence and pursuing a more beautiful world. With heart and humility, Jes…
 
We're gathering in Chicago this fall at the first-ever Upside Down Gathering. Today (June 22) is the last day to purchase your early bird tickets, so Kayla and Lindsy have a quick chat introducing the speaker lineup for the two-day event at Wilson Abbey in Chicago. Hear a preview of Micah Bournes' music, find out which Upside Down Podcast guests wi…
 
In our last regular episode before summer break, we gather to talk about community: not the hashtag or the social media version, but the essence of community as a sense of place and belonging. Host Kayla Craig is joined by Lindsy Wallace, Shannon Evans, and special guest, Rebekah Troche, who lives at Jesus People USA, a church and intentional commu…
 
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