Good Guys: How Men Can Be Better Allies for Women in the Workplace


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Join Michael and Robin as we start working on our next 1500 episodes when we talk about men and women in the workplace with David G. Smith PhD, and Brad Johnson PhD. Evidence reveals that the #MeToo movement has not been a catalyst to move men to action in their organizations, but rather it has instead increased the likelihood of them avoiding women entirely, exacerbating gender inequalities. There are, however, many men eager to learn how to really move the dial on inclusion. They are GOOD GUYS—they just don’t know what to do, or how to get started on their own ally journey. David G. Smith Ph.D., a sociologist, and former Navy pilot, and Brad Johnson Ph.D., a psychology professor, guide these men in their new book, GOOD GUYS: How Men Can Be Better Allies for Women in the Workplace (Harvard Business Review Press, Oct 13, 2020). Based on their major qualitative study, they detail what excellent male allyship looks like and how to apply interpersonally (at home), publicly (at work), and systematically (through organizational change). GOOD GUYS also reveals some of the obstacles men face—many of them don’t perceive gender inequities in the workplace at all (it’s hard to fix what you can’t see) and that men are unsure of how to take action (so they decide not to) and some see think any gains for women would mean losses for them. In GOOD GUYS, they explain how to overcome these obstacles and to develop allyships that benefit all.

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