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In episode 37, we chat with author Ray Cluley. The conversation celebrates his novella Water for Drowning, originally published by This Is Horror in 2014 and recently adapted into an audiobook narrated by RJ Bayley. Our conversation spans so much more than that though, and we get into things like why the ocean is so terrifying, the lure & appeal of mermaids (including a discussion about a friend of ours who wrote a hilarious piece of mermaid erotica), the necessity of making a living while pursuing the writing dream, and the thrill of reading outside the genre occasionally.