377: John Perkins on How Perception Creates Reality


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John Perkins is an author and activist whose 10 books on global intrigue, shamanism, and transformation have been on the New York Times Best Seller list for more than 70 weeks, sold over 2 million copies, and are published in at least 35 languages. John was formerly a chief economist at a major consulting firm advising the World Bank, United Nations, the U.S., and other governments. He is now the founder and board member of the Pachamama Alliance and Dream Change, non-profit organizations that partner with indigenous people to protect the environment and offer global programs to change the destructive ways of industrial societies.

In this episode, Eric and John discuss his book, “Touching the Jaguar: Transforming Fear into Action to Change Your Life and the World”, and the importance of understanding how our perceptions create our reality.

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In This Interview, John Perkins and I discuss How Our Perception Creates Reality and…

  • His book, Touching the Jaguar: Transforming Fear into Action to Change Your Life and the World
  • His past role as an “economic hit man
  • A “death” economy is based on the perception of maximizing short term profits, regardless of the social and environmental costs
  • The difference between capitalism and predatory capitalism
  • How he learned the meaning of “touching the jaguar” (facing your fears)
  • How changing your perception changes your reality
  • A “life” economy is about maximizing long term benefits for people and the environment
  • His work with the indigenous communities in the Amazon and how they came together after being “enemies”
  • Understanding our power and our role as consumers and what we can do to contribute to a life economy
  • Asking ourselves 5 important questions about contributing to a life economy:
  • 1. What do I most want to do with my life?
  • 2. How do I do this in a way that helps other people?
  • 3. What’s holding me back?
  • 4. How does “touching the jaguar” change your perceptions?
  • 5. What actions do I take?

John Perkins Links:

John’s Website




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